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Chief Executive of the Financial Supervision Commission (FSC), John Aspden gave a particularly defensive performance before the Tynwald Select Committee investigating the collapse of Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander (IOM) Ltd.

Mr Aspden was on the back foot from almost the beginning when Committee member, Eddie Lowey MLC, one of the ‘elder statesmen’ of Tynwald, informed Mr Aspden he didn’t much like being “put on notice how to deal with financial sensitivities”; and inquired if the KSF (IOM) affair had enhanced the reputation of the FSC.

Mr Aspden had to admit it had not.

Mr Aspden was grilled for almost 3 hours by the Committee - consisting of Chairman Juan Watterson MHK (Rushen), John Houghton MHK (North Douglas) and Mr Lowey – and at one point complained he had not been provided in advance with some of the questions.

This rather limp protestation was prompted by Mr Houghton bombarding Mr Aspden with a series of prepared and quite technical questions – which clearly Mr Houghton had been assisted in putting together. Perhaps it was less than coincidental that local advocate, Jonathon Smalley, and critic of the FSC, who was sitting in the public gallery, appeared to have a set of the questions in his possession.

Mr Aspden said many of the issues being raised by Mr Houghton were covered by his written submission to the Committee; and at one point wondered if the Committee had actually read his submission.

Mr Houghton responded by saying he wanted to get the matters on the record; and also to be sure the matters he was raising had been addressed in the submission – and that nothing had been omitted.

Mr Aspden pointed out he had copied the entire KSF (IOM) file to the Committee but still said he would check to see if anything had been overlooked.

During the questioning Mr Aspden effectively admitted the business model used by the IOM is not adequate to address the type of situation that struck KSF (IOM), but - even though he clearly thought this to be the case – he, and the Commission, appear to have done very little to try to change the position.

The excuse appeared to be it was outside the remit of the Commission.

One aspect on which he was clear as being outside their remit, unlike the FSA in the UK, is to ‘educate’ potential customers/consumers of IOM financial services.

It appeared to be accepted that consumers were taking ‘licensed by the FSC’ as an endorsement when in fact they should have been reading it has a financial health warning; after all the IOM has no clearing bank of its own or a bank of last resort.

From the evidence provided by Mr Aspden it would appear the FSC has little if any influence over the operation of banks in the IOM, especially if they are subsidiaries of foreign banks; which the majority are.

It appears the licensing process is barely anything other than an income generating process: deposit takers are statutorily required to apply for/have a licence to trade and the FSC is the body they apply to/issue the licences. It appears unless you are a bank based in Timbuktu (somewhere Mr Aspden said would not be considered) you will get a licence.

However, the granting of licence doesn’t guarantee, by any stretch of the imagination, that depositors’ money will be safe and looked after properly.

Mr Aspden appeared to be saying there is little that the IOM can do to prevent or dissuade deposit takers from up-streaming most or all of the money they take in the IOM to their parent company in the UK or elsewhere. Banks in the IOM are, therefore, at the mercy of regulation and support of other jurisdictions – and as the IOM found out with KSF (IOM) – when the chips are down the other jurisdiction will look out for its own interests before anyone else’s.

Mr Aspden did admit, as result of the KSF (IOM) affair, consideration is being given to changes in regulation or approach to IOM deposit takers; but as of yet no real action has been taken.

Quite a bit of attention was paid to an apparent discrepancy between a Commission decision for KSF (IOM) to eliminate any exposure to Iceland and what actually occurred.

Mr Aspden was adamant that the bank had eliminated any direct exposure to Iceland by removing funds from the parent bank Kaupthing Hf – but seemed to accept the reality was some what different.

Mr Aspden laid the fault for this with the FSA in the UK, who he implied had not kept to their side of an understanding over the level of exposure KSF (UK) had to Iceland.

Mr Aspden was also of the opinion the onus was on the FSA to tell the FSC of any changes to the exposure KSF (UK) had to Iceland rather than on the FSC to check with the FSA if any changes had taken place.

Again the limp excuse was the FSC had no power to require the FSA to provide the information – it was just a gentlemen’s agreement they would.

In fact Mr Aspden said the effectiveness of the Memorandum of Understanding had been over stated, as had been the parental guarantee from Kaupthing Hf.

The Manx Herald wonders if that was so why didn’t the FSC or OFT take action to prevent KSF (IOM) from marketing their accounts so heavily on, particularly, the latter point.

Mr Houghton continued to press Mr Aspden on the elimination of the exposure of KSF (IOM) to Iceland and the rest of the group; but Mr Aspden was having none of Mr Houghton’s aspersions. He said, if necessary he would call the Commission members to testify he had not exceed his authority and changed a decision of the Commission. He said Mr Houghton was wrong to suggest there had been a decision of the Commission to eliminate exposure to the group and this had then been ignored. He said no decision had been made to totally eliminate the exposure to the group; and, furthermore, he wished to make it clear the FSC had not directed the KSF (IOM) to deposit the money in the sister company in London.

Mr Houghton made Mr Aspden read out a file note, made by Head of Banking Supervision at the FSC, Michael Weldon, of a telephone conversation with Aidan Doherty, CEO of KSF (IOM), on 25th April 2008. In it Mr Weldon says Mr Doherty expressed astonishment that the FSC was expecting KSF (IOM) to eliminate its exposure to it parent bank; and that it could lead to the closure of the bank and the loss of 70 jobs.

Perhaps that would not have been such a bad thing if the business had been transferred to the UK division of the bank – at least all the retail depositors would have had their money protected in full and the IOM wouldn’t have had to deal with the fall out, and multi million pounds, cost of a failed bank.

Mr Aspden also debunked the claims of Derbyshire account holders, who have claimed they didn’t know they had been taken over by an Icelandic bank or had been prevented from withdrawing their money. He went as far as to say the Derbyshire was, contrary to the story being put about, a “basket case”; and implied if had not been taken over depositors would probably have lost a lot more than they stand to lose from the collapse of KSF (IOM).

Mr Aspden was asked if the FSC was to conduct an investigation into the operation of the bank, but he said the liquidator was conducting one and they would be given a copy of their findings; but said he couldn’t rule out a FSC investigation.

Committee Chairman brought proceedings to halt just before the end of the three hours but said Mr Aspden may need to be recalled in the future; which he seemed to accept as almost inevitable.

The Committee is due to hear next from the Directors of the bank, including ex-Chief Minister, Donald Gelling and ex Chief Financial Officer of the Treasury and Deputy Chairman of the FSC, John Cashen on Friday 13th November.

 

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Invader on 07 November, 2009 04:23:27
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Taken from from Money Week Magazine by James Fergusion who is an economist with stockbroker Pail International. Shame he was not in charge of the FSC. Kaupthing is now having to pay almost 6% more than five year government bond yields ie 10.2% to raise funds.Kauptings savings accounts pays just 6.5% AER, which doesn't even come close to compensating us for the risk,I'd say.The markers seem to be telling us that there is a very real default risk here. This appeared in Money Week in February 2008!!!
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Shafted In The Isle of Man on 07 November, 2009 12:46:59
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Aspden is obviously not up to the job, he debunked claims that Derbyshire depositors did not know it was an Icelandic Bank. How would they know? Nowhere on the paperwork did it say that it was an Icelandic Bank, some paperwork implied that it was European. Derbyshire depositors were given a 100% British Guarantee, on the British Isles, by a wholly owned British company, who then sold them out to an Icelandic Bank and in some cases depositors were not informed of the sale, as per the terms and conditions. Depositors were locked into fixed term bonds with no access until maturity. We have evidence to proove that deposits were taken after the sale was agreed, but Derbyshire staff failed to disclose the sale to new customers. And when asked if the Derbyshire had any plans to sell out in the future staff at the Derbyshire replied NO while still taking on new business. We also have emails dated 1st Oct 2008 from staff at the KSF stating that our deposits were 100% guaranteed with the KSF same as when it was with the Derbyshire, these emails were from the same persons who worked for The Derbyshire when taking our deposits. Staff at the Derbyshire have admitted that they continued to take on new business knowing full well that the 12 month bond contracts they had taken out with new customers could be honoured by the Derbyshire as it would shortly be the KSF Bank. Derbyshire depositors did not choose to save with the KSF bank it was forced upon them. The FSC said they had a 100% guarantee in place which now turns out to be worthless. The depositors compensation scheme is disgusting, how can it be called compensation? 12 months after the event we got part of our own money back, and that was only when the IoM GOV had received it from the liquidator, and there were long delays in that and some still have not received it. Depositors do not get anything more until the IoM Gov has retrieved the £50,000 back that they have laid out to depositors. So why do they call it compensation? It less than 50% of our savings, hard earned cash that tax had been paid on, that was entrusted to the Isle of Man.
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Savings lost on 07 November, 2009 02:17:04
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Could Mr Aspden please be asked to explain, whether or not the Derbyshire was a "basket case", how anyone could possibly have lost any money had the branch not been sold? If the Derbyshire had gone bust, my deposit would have been fully protected, as have all UK banks. That's because the UK government chose to protect savers, whilst the Isle of Man Government chose not to stand by all the "guarantees" it was so happy to let banks withing its' jurisdiction tout. As it stands, I lost ALL my money for nearly 12 months, and now I only have 24% of it back, and heaven knows when I will see any more. So how could I possibly have lost more with the Derbyshire? Please could he be asked to provide some evidence before statements like that are allowed to go on record.
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Gerry on 07 November, 2009 05:24:15
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There is just no defence for these people. No defence at all.
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Jim on 08 November, 2009 06:41:12
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John Aspden was totally predictable in his answers, a classic case of being economical with the truth. As I predicted in my blog (Google's No.1 blog on the Kauthing debacle) Aspden & the directors were declared 'not guilty' long before this inquiry began, thus he has to answer his inquisitors so as to save his own skin rather than clarify objectively the issues behind the questions. He is already well a truly weighed & found wanting.

On the basis of the questions put during the 3 hour session I may end up having to eat my hat about my previously expressed views that this whole inquiry would be a whitewash exercise in an effort to preserve the flagging reputation of the isle of Man.

It is early days in this inquiry but there is a glimmer of hope that it might - just might - turn out to be one that is concluded with credibility, objectivity & integrity.

If the outcome were then to lead to a 100% restoration of all KSF deposits the Isle of Man will have taken a truly major step in restoring confidence in the island as a trustworthy offshore financial centre.

If it doesn't then it is doomed as a place where expats can entrust their life savings in the secure knowledge that their money is safe.

Jim for Justice
http://ksfiom-blog.blogspot.com
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Depositor on 08 November, 2009 01:38:16
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Aspden makes claims that depositors could remove their monies. Speaking with Aidan Doherty several depositors tried to do this, but were told that the bonds could not be broken, they were a legal binding contract, this seems to apply only one way. It was okay for the Derbyshire and it's Directors to break the rules.

A/D also assured depositors that their money would be even safer with the KSF bank than it was with the Derbyshire.

The paperwork sent out to depositors by A Doherty and Fiona Passey, assured them of the safety of their monies and that they were still 100% Guaranteed as they were with The Derbyshire and regulated by the Financial Supervision Commission,(FSC).

According to this, everything should have been in perfectly safe. As several senior members of the FSC were also Directors of the KSF bank surely they should have been in the prime position to see any problems on the horizon early days and to ensure the safety of our savings, after all we understand that's their job, and they are exceptionally well paid for it.

The stress of loosing our life's savings at our age is unbearable, and not being able to see our family for the last few years of our lives is heartbreaking. Some of these depositors have committed suicide over the loss of their savings, we are not surprised.

For true life stories take a look at www.ksfiomdag.com or
www.ksfiom-blog.blogspot.com


Tony Brown from the IoM Gov said back in Feb to the Treasury Select committee on TV, that the Isle of Man accepted responsibility for this problem and would sort it. I wonder why are we still waiting?

One thing is for sure the IoM will go down in history, as the only place in the WORLD that did not back the Guarantee & Depositors of the KSF bank 100%. The depositors compensation scheme is only a loan out of your own money.
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skint now on 09 November, 2009 03:20:17
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What I cannot understand is how people such as John Aspden, and other members of the FSC and A Doherty, can make serious mistakes in their jobs and still keep them and in some cases they have received wage increases for being incompetent. Anyone else would have received their P45.
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Premier Shareholders Group on 10 November, 2009 09:46:48
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The Isle of Man Financial Supervision Commission and the Office of Fair Trading – Ombudsman Scheme (a misleading title as it does not employ an ombudsman) have been shown to be incompetent.

This incompetence may be genuine or contrived. Either way it is an ineptitude that serves to protect the island’s financial services industry to the detriment of investors/depositors.

The only alternative remedy available to victims of fraud is civil action. This would have to be taken through the Island court and would be beyond the economic means of most individuals - who regrettably are often pensioners.

This may be the reason why the island is so “popular” with many financial institutions – it is certainly the reason why the whole world should be told: -

NEVER, EVER INVEST OR DEPOSIT MONEY ON THE ISLE OF MAN.
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Conned on 10 November, 2009 10:31:11
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Take a look at youtube under "Don't Bank on the Isle of Man" 32 videos showing how this banking catastrophe has affected people. Our hard earned cash lost by saving with them. Some people have lost their businesses, homes and marriages caused by this financial crisis on the Isle of Man. Make sure you warn you children and grandchildren, Don't bank on the Isle of Man. A lot of high street banks take your money for savings, pensions and other products, and it ends up on the Isle of Man without you being aware of that fact, check this out thorough;y before entering into anything. One it's on the Isle of Man, you are up the creek without a paddle. They could have sorted this problem early days, the UK treasury select committee offered help from the UK Gov, but Tony Brown refused it, we understand that help is still on offer but his head is too deep in the sand to see that. Do the right thing Isle of Man, give depositors back 100% of their money, thats all they want, you lost it you should replace it. You could take up the 100% Guarantee later with Iceland, the UK have reached an agreement with them so why can't you?
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lisa coleridge on 11 November, 2009 03:25:00
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The isle of man has literally ruined our lives and that of our children.we deposited a family home and now my husband has been reduced to a nervous breakdown and we might even lose his mind. God help them ,they have no heart
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